Casino: Yes or No

[stillwater]

Hey Friends,
Nothing to do with the local music scene, but still part of local entertainment, and would make history if implemented.
We've seen and read abt so many families broken cos of gambling, and there's a chinese saying 10 gambles 9 loses.

If we have a casino, do you think we would be better off, or would many lives be ruined instead?

Would it really boost Singapore's image to the world, or actually degrade it?

Is it a Yes or No (or it doesn't matter) to you personally?

 

[satch]

yes, i think if those gamblers cant control themselves, they deserve what they get. and even if there is no casino, if they are gamblers, they will find ways to gamble, such as genting and starcruise.

why give our money to malaysia? no point right? they take us for granted, lets see hw they cope without the income of Singaporeans.

and personally, i think it would boost SIngapore as an entertainment hub as well. if we can keep a high standard casino, itll prolly bring in even more money for us.

bt i personally think LKY and CO have already gave the go ahead for the casino.

jst nt released yet.

 

[azacamis]

point here is, what is it in for us? money goes to govt, we got nothing. I am not saying that we should receive cash etc but if cost keeps going up, then what's the point?

Anyway, it will go ahead for sure. It would be surprising if it got cancelled. And cost will keep on rising too. No surprise there either.

 

[satch]

gov rich= people rich.

look arnd u, all the rich gov. provide for the people. like US? the majority citizens lead pretty good lives.

UK?

and then look at india, the poor GOV, poor people.

nt that i like SG GOV. jst that ur point of money going to the gov isnt very right in my opinion.

 

[azacamis]

India's gov is considered rich. They can afford to have nuclear. Their people is poor because of massive corruption.

I am not anti pappy but not all they do is right. I guess you'll have a better view of what's happening when you start your working life.

 

[satch]

they can be considered rich.

bt if u divide the amount of money they have between thier population, i dont think they are.

 

[ChanMin]

got casino is good.
no reason in singaporeans going over to malaysia etc..and pouring their money to them. Let them come over and pour their money to us.

i tihnk as long as you dont gamble. a casino wont hurt you in any way and will boost our economy.
Self control is something anyone should have.
i think its really dumb to blame the govt if you lost all your money in a casino.

its like saying.. " you guys KNEW i was a stupid drone... and yet you let me gamble KNOWING i would lose control!! "

 

[stillwater]

LOL Chanmin, that's a good one

 

[pooo]

I'm against the casino idea. The social problems induced from gambling activities is not something i'd want to see. Besides, I'd rather save up the cash, and spend them all curbing GAS.

 

[penta-tonic]

+1 to tt pooo

 

[parablue74]

This the way i think, quite selfish, but who cares, the world is as selfish no matter how it is...
Got casino, also would have pubs around, and restaurants..... like that sure might need bands, sound engineers & systems, live acts.... more venue for us to perform and gig....
And to hell with gamblers, they are just like that, no need some casino to instigate them to gambling anyway. so who cares about them!!!

 

[satch]

most of the points raised are tht it will make people lose money.

well, casinos can also make a beggar rich overnight.

even if no casino, those gamblers will also bet 4d bet horse, go illegal casino. they will still lose their money.

 

[mikemann]

NO TO CASINO!!!!

Irregardless of what is said about bring in money for economy, gambling is still gambling, any form of it is IMMORAL and a vehicle for DECADENCE.

As such, till now gambling that is available now is in a HIGHLY CONTROLLED FORM and merely in a TOLERATEBLE FORM.

If you don't have it here, YOU BASICALLY DON'T HAVE IT. If you have it, then there is no twisting and turning about the advantages it have to justify it's consequence.

You are playing with life here, if you don't have it, certain people may never go down the path of THE END. If you have it, IT WILL BE THE CAUSE OF CERTAIN CASES OF DEATH (SUCIDE) ARISING FROM THE ILL EFFECTS OF GAMBLING.

MY STAND IS THAT CASINO WILL BE THE DIRECT CAUSE OF SOME DEATHS IN THE FUTURE AS A CONSEQUENCE.

Example. It's is like legalising firearms. If you don't have it, what are the chances that people are killed by it, are close to zero in Singapore. Imagine if firearms are legal in Singapore. You can imagine the consequence of it.

Thus I guess all the major religons are taking a "NO TO CASINO" stand.

But what I said is just a slither of hope only. As we have clearly seen the signal that pratically the vote is just a formality, the result we already KNOW.

 

[stillwater]

yea true mike, i agree with you too. this is not USA (or elsewhere) afterall, but Singapore. Singapore is as boring as Singapore cos it is quite strict in general and bounded by unlimited rules. But in return, this is actually something that makes it attractive. Lots of expats r attracted to live here cos its one of the better places to bring up their children. When my boss (a brit) was offered an assignment to come here, he gladly said yes wifout hesitation.

Like many ppl say, if u want freedom of this sort, u should move outta here.

And yea, it seems like our govt has already decided to implement the idea, juz a matter of location only...

 

[mikemann]

Sigh.....what to do??

Are there enough passionate people out there to actually do something about it. Even simple thing like mass petition is difficult.

Because the govt has thus far done most things well for the nation, so people either will turn a blind eye or take it for granted. It's only when generally everyone suffer where you see ugly protest happening. But there is a minority sufferer which has been forgotten in our society. Where the religious bodies have step in to help out.

I applaud and is grateful for our nation it is today. But I think that this is one move which is questionable morally.

 

[stillwater]

That's why some of my friends call Singapore a "communist" country. :lol:

 

[anep]

i'll haf to say yes to the casino.
eventhough i won't be able to gamble (coz i'm a muslim),
the positive side of making a casino is that it'll create more jobs and improve the economy.
the casino can affect the income of a person both directly and indirectly.

first, the tourists pay for their flights($$),
then the cab they took to the hotel($$),
then checking-in the hotel($$),
finally they gamble.
if they made a loss, we "win"($$).
if they made some money, we still win coz they'd probably celebrate.
first to roam the streets of orchard finishing their money on shopping, then celebrate the night out in pubs($$).
so, its a win-win situation for us.

however, it may create problems in singapore.
bankruptcy, borrowing money from loansharks which can lead to murder, crime rates may increase, etc...

so if the gov wants to make a casino, they must be able to manage the problems even before it arises.
maybe making sure that s'poreans gambling must have a certain amount of money in their bank before they can gamble, stuff like dat.

so, wad'd u think?

 

[HeartRockSingapore]

It is so heartening to see many people like stillwater willing to make a public stand against the casino and more heartening to see people defending it. Let's face it, you can never win arguing against moral issues, yet people like satch did. Economics comes in hard figures and moral, are both subjective and emotive. Where economics of the state is concern, we look for signs if the people are generally well of. This is riches of the state. If we see huge government palaces but people generally lives below the poverty line, this is riches in government but the state suffers in poverty.

Does Singapore need a casino? I think we are all, so to speak rich enough to say Singapore does not need a casino because gambling is immoral. We won't die without one. But if Singaporeans generally live in hunger like those in some African countries, would it still matters if we have a casino or not? After all, there isn't sufficient for a full meal, where to find the money to gamble? Children have to sell their flesh figuratively to feed their families. Blame the government, society or God for not providing?

Would the PAP government, who stops at nothing to guard it's hard built reputation risks itself on a casino that is only a small fraction of the gdp? This is not the PAP isn't it?

Let's come back to the core of SOFT. Many people equate the entertainment industry as one full of immoral influences. Smoking, drinking, drugs, casual sex, and vulgarity etc etc. What do you say?

Do I have enough people who would be willing to stand with me and make a public staterment that smoking, drinking, casual sex and vulgarity are not associated with music?

So far, in my opinion, the arguments against the setting up of a casino here have been weak, given the prevailing circumstance.

I am not arguing for or against the setting up of a casino. I am arguing for an open mind in our people. Let's understand, or at least try to understand why, when the government announces its decision on 18 April.

 

[ChanMin]

there will always be people... who will gamble and borrow money from loan sharks etc... and there will always be people who take it too far and end up killing themselves and their family. that is sad. and very very unnecessary.

but thats what happens to people who are reckless with their money and make poor decisions.

for a person like that. Id say dun even need to let him gamble. just give him a credit card and he'll be swiping till hes bankrupt aniway. no control = no control.

A casino in singapore would divert some gamblers to gamble in a proper casino.
better then letting them go with those underground gambling dens or illegal betting bookies etc.
i guess the govt wants control over the illegal activities too... why let the malaysian crime syndicates earn singaporean's money when PAP can do the same in broad daylight?

 

[seekz]

i really dont understand the goverments move to FURTHER LEGALISED gambling. Hasnt the goverment done enough? 4D shops, Toto, Now even Soccer also can bet, Horse also can bet.

I have a feeling that they wont rest until they're got a casino.

All the "The topic is still open for discusion" thing is such a facade.
When did a real discusion or debate went on?
And they are already sourcing for propeitors already.
Even offer up 2 sites for them to choose, between Marina and Sentosa.

I feel that a casino here is definitely wrong, if you have a heart and think for the Singaporeans living here. Be it the decadence, or the financial pithole ppl will fall into, or social problems that will surface later on.

On the other side of the coin, there really isnt muh we could gain from them anyway, its still the foreigners that come over to set up casino. Money earned still primarily will go to the casino.

I might not be some kindof an economical genius, it wont make sense if we allow a casino to be built and invite those casino lords to come over to get heavily taxed. And it is also not gona like LURE a frggin huge crowd to singapore, cos there a casinos everywhere. doesnt really fit our "Uniquely singapore" theme anyway.

Unless... ah of cos, they do the usual stunt they've been pulling the past few decades lah. "Goverment linked" compaines... heheh