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    Stayers & Quitters

    Remember these words, these labels by the government a few years ago? Hehehe..

    Anyway, I am just wondering - how many of you here will stay in Singapore forever, how many are contemplating of moving elsewhere, and how many are already making plans to eventually migrate?

    And what's your take on this issue anyway?

    Honestly, I have always admired people who have the courage to migrate and settle in new environments, despite the hardship, initial or otherwise. Like everything else in life, there are those who succeed, and those who don't. Either way, I really admire those who actually took the steps to do something about their lives - their wish to live in a new place, try new things, experience new environments, learn new things, meet new people etc.

    To me, that's the essence of what being human is all about - adapting, finding out your limits and endurance, see the world and gaining different and new perspectives. Going through adversities in life has made many people better people, I think, and the rewards, the experiences, are actually priceless.

    Yes, I know - as they say "The grass is always greener on the other side." meaning - to everyone else, the other place may always SEEM better but even if they are not - I believe in cherishing the experience and learning from it.

    So, I wonder - what are your push and pull factors?

    Of course the common pull factors are -

    1) Singapore is a relatively safe place, with an efficient public transport system
    2) Singapore is a relatively clean place, with a vibrant economy
    3) Singapore has a relatively good education system, breeding civilized citizens
    4) Singapore has a modern and stable infrastructure which we can be sufficiently proud of

    And the common push factors -

    1) Singapore is a relatively expensive place to live in, a lot of us are paying a quarter of a million dollars to live in a space that we don't actually own, the size of two garages in a typical American home
    2) There is nothing really much to do and see in Singapore, besides the perennial chase to make money and satisfy our (often) materialistic endeavors
    3) A relatively restrictive authoritarian government set of policies that seem less concerned for individuality and human rights
    4) Lack of seasons, in terms of climate
    5) Despite being the 6th wealthiest nation in the world in terms of GDP per capita, there are still penniless, homeless old folks living in the streets, collecting cardboxes, and some families living in tents at East Coast Park - makes you think about exactly how inflexible some government policies are, and how much they 'don't want to be a welfare state'
    6) Relatively boring architecture, not blessed with breathtaking landscapes

    Ok, maybe I've written too much.

    Share your thoughts?
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    iam stayer coz iam too poor to have ready money to move anywhere else nor enough qualification to secure a decent job elsewhere. Like that how

    Die lah, can only be a stayer for life
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    i will travel the world when i have the opportunity, and then i will make my decision.

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    No choice... have to stay.. work till death... so yeah.. unless a miracle happen.. but highly unlikely.

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    given a chance.. will definitely pack up and go. agree with the pull factors mentioned by the thread starter except for efficient public transport system and civilized citizens. and singapore does favour so called 'foreign talent' over locals.

    its true the grass is always greener on the other side .. but the pace of life in singapore and the cost of living are major factors to consider. 'try to make ends meet, you're a slave to money then you die'

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    I'm a sailor so i'll leave when i find a place i wanna reside in hahah . Thats the good part about the international shipping business

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    i wanna go to canada and migrate there. seems fun.

    BUT, confirm no money to do so. so im a stayer.

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    I thought our public and even our private transport systems suck!?!?!

    I'm waiting to make my one-hit wonder - make enough moolah to go to Northern Thailand to set up a polygamous sect. Anybody wants to follow me? Gotch discount for Singaporeans.

    It looks like a large percentage of Singaporeans will have close to $80K in their CPF that they will not be allowed to withdraw. The only way to withdraw this moolah is to denounce your citizenship and migrate. Me thinks that's a great reason to migrate to a place like Thailand, Laos or even Cambodia. But you'll have to purchase your citizenship there and it's going to cost more than $80K for Thailand - closer to $250K.

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    The push and pull factors are actually 2 sides of the same coin.

    1. Singapore is a relatively expensive place to live in, a lot of us are paying a quarter of a million dollars to live in a space that we don't actually own, the size of two garages in a typical American home.

    Because of this we are all very near to each other and to our work places. This leads to efficiency and productivity. We make lots of money. This is actually the same for all high efficiency cities. Have you seen the size of the apartments people rent in order to work in New York or London?


    2. here is nothing really much to do and see in Singapore, besides the perennial chase to make money and satisfy our (often) materialistic endeavors.

    We have one of the most vibrant night scenes around, as above, similar to cities like New York. And like those cities, the people chase money in the day and have fun at night.


    3. A relatively restrictive authoritarian government set of policies that seem less concerned for individuality and human rights

    This actually leads to your point (1) Safe and point (2) Clean. I have discussed this at length with my friends. In my opinion there are only 2 ways of governing.

    A. Catch all the fish, good or bad.
    We restrict everyone, even those that don't deserve so severe a punishment. In this case, we are safe in the knowledge that no bad fish go unpunished, but we feel sorry for the good fish that happen to be caught in the net.

    B. Try to catch only the bad fish.
    This means the good fish have their individuality and human rights. However, it also means the bad fish can find loopholes or sometimes slip through the net. More human rights = less safe. Proven through history.


    4. Lack of seasons, in terms of climate

    Back to efficiency. We do not require heaters+airconditioners. We do not require all the things people need to drive/protect/maintain/etc in the snow.


    5. Despite being the 6th wealthiest nation in the world in terms of GDP per capita, there are still penniless, homeless old folks living in the streets, collecting cardboxes, and some families living in tents at East Coast Park - makes you think about exactly how inflexible some government policies are, and how much they 'don't want to be a welfare state'

    Unfortunately this is a similar policy of catching bad fish. The problem with allowing too much welfare to the poor is that resourceful bad seeds will come up with ways to exploit that. No country in the world has found a solution. Britain and America are 2 extreme examples of welfare and no welfare, both aren't doing well and both have relatively recently been looking to learn from Singapore's policies. I highly recommend reading "The Underground Economist" which is an economic book that non scholars can easily absorb.


    6. Relatively boring architecture, not blessed with breathtaking landscapes

    That's true.

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    One thing I quite tulan about the gov is the reservist, IPPT, and RT.

    Its like "serve and farq off" has lost its meaning.
    at least the farq off part...

    secondly, its the political system, nope, its got nothing to do with LKY or how we're a one party rule and all thAT kinda stuff.
    Well, I've been forced to say the stupid pledge half my kid life
    and its say "to build a democratic soci, based on justise and equality"
    But where the hells that?

    i think the views of the people aren't well represented at all
    I know there are zone reps, town reps, grassroot and all that
    kinda division. but we hardly get to communicate with any of them
    feels like some kinda mock bureaucracy.

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